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you can deny all the things I've seen

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all the things I've discovered but not

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for much longer because too many others

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know what's happening out there and no

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one no government agency has

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jurisdiction over the truth

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if you don't recognize that music I

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honestly don't know where you've been

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for the past decade and a half get ready

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because this is going to be a very

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Mulder and Scully episode you've been

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warned it may come as no surprise to any

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of you out there that the x-files is my

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wife blood I don't think the day goes by

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without me quoting Fox Mulder for no

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good reason or even just putting an

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episode on in the background to get

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through the day first world problems I

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know for the longest time I watched the

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show as it aired every Friday night on

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Fox but I had nobody to talk about it

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with it was a secret ceremony I held

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every week because I'd follow these two

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FBI agents on their adventures in

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investigating UFOs aliens ghosts

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monsters and everything in between

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it was my dreams and aspirations playing

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out on the small screen I wanted to

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believe I was Fox Mulder and to be

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honest I've come further in making that

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dream come true than I ever thought I

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would

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granted I don't work for the FBI nor am

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i unraveling a grand conspiracy of men

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in aliens working together to both

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enslave and hybridize humanity or am i I

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digress the x-files was most certainly

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my guilty pleasure and this week I was

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fortunate enough to sit down at the

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acclaimed nervous school right here in

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Los Angeles and speak with Amanda and

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Jackie the hosts of the guilty pleasure

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podcast you can find their show on all

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major podcast outlets and at its

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school.com for the bulk of the

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conversation we talked all about x-files

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and my work in the field of ufology I

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then turn the tables on them towards the

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end and get their thoughts on UFOs the

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paranormal and their favorite conspiracy

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theories it was a light-hearted but

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heavy crossover episode where we all

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just may have changed one another's

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minds on these deeply complex phenomena

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but either way it was a fun navigation

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through one of the most successful

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television shows of all time and proved

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once again that the truth has

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and always will remain out there I hope

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you enjoy this episode with Amanda and

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trust no one

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well except me you can trust me enjoy

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the episode so Ryan welcome to the back

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thank you thank you for having me I've

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been in LA for a week so to already be

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doing something like this I feel like oh

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it's always gonna be like this I'm gonna

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end up at the Nerdist school yeah really

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cool people who host an awesome podcast

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I love that yeah well it's a good we're

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the welcoming committee we are

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especially from the New York like oh

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you're a New Yorker moving to LA for the

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first time come be on our podcast and

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also calm down yeah calm down take a

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dump with sips o before we do that give

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you guys it's a book you can't see it

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but we'll definitely post it it's called

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somewhere in the sky a human approach to

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an alien phenomenon by Ryan Sprague

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Sprague rooks Prague Sprague Prague

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within us this is a book yeah and

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stickers oh I put sentences together and

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someone was dumb enough to make it into

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a book thank you you rope-a-dope damn

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real well thank you so much for this

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look at your picture in the back you

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look so much it was a good hair and

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there's like several people who made

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several comments about it in the back I

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love that I cannot wait to read this

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thank you so much I had no idea that you

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for what we'll be talking about it is

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very appropriate speaking of which what

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is your guilty pleasure my guilty

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pleasure is the x-files did that

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whenever I talk on like I've done like

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news stations and broadcast and stuff

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and every time I come on to talk about

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UFOs seriously they put the x-files

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music behind it yeah basically right

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every time you enter a room you actually

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you ask that someone play it on their

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phone yeah hey Brian can you get me a

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glass of water

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he's walking in with the water so how

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how did you get in I mean here's the

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thing is that I've known Ryan for a

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a while now you've always been

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aliens that sort of a thing how were you

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something that sparked it or what has

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this always been like a lifelong passion

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it's kind of been a lifelong passion the

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x-files came into my life at a very

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interesting time I had had my own

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personal UFO sighting like six months

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x-files oh yeah so I was I'm trying to

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three white lights I couldn't see any

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sort of like structure machine if you

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will but I couldn't see the stars behind

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what I was seeing and it was just kind

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of floating over the water silent

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completely silent I could just hear like

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the water hitting the dock

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coming out the thing starts floating

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over the water towards Canada the border

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of Canada and my father did see the tail

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end of what I saw oh and he told me you

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know it's just a plane it was just a

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plane ride calm down

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but even at 12 I knew that whatever it

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was it was not like any sort of plane

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it was alien but it was alien and I was

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terrified and that kind of led to

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obsession I started taking a book after

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book in the library about UFOs and

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Bigfoot Loch Ness monster or whatever I

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x-files Oh crazy which was I believe

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the first episode I saw was in 96 cool

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yeah very cool and what was your I mean

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that's crazy not that you are crazy but

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that's like a nutso experience like that

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would blow my freaking mind that would

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be that's awesome I also think it's

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really cool though that you got your dad

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to see it and yeah effectively that like

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no I wasn't having a weird little kid

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hallucination I like there was something

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there and I loved how quick your dad I

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think that's just like the dichotomy

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between parents and kids where your

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dad's just very quick to be like it's a

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plane is a plane you're like my 12 years

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on this earth and that was no plane 12

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years I knew a lot about AVH planes make

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a very distinct sound I grew up right by

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LaGuardia Airport and so you know like I

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know what a plane like sounds and looks

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like because they were always flying

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over my backyard and if this was super

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silent that sounds very much not like a

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plane completely so yeah I didn't hear a

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thing like I said it was just the water

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like hitting the dock that was it and

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that night I was unsuccessful okay yeah

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gotta ask the hard questions here yeah

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yeah so did you seek out the x-files or

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kind of seed on TV and then you were

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it's kind of a depressing story I first

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saw the x-files this was an episode

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called quagmire I don't know if you guys

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know that one or have seen it but it was

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about like a Loch Ness monster creature

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a sea monster that they were

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investigating and so I was 12

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place in Syracuse New York and cool kids

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the night and my friend's parents were

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every week they forgot me either they

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forgot me or they straight-up just

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didn't want me to go thank you and my

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friends never showed up to get me and I

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was just like what am I gonna do now

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and you know it was eight o'clock on a

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Friday night Hawks and this show came on

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that I'd never heard of and that opening

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you know and the UFO UFO that weird face

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that weird face creepy face night I'm

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not a fan of that a face I saw that face

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when I was like no yeah yeah so when I

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saw the UFO that's when I kind of was

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like oh this is I gotta watch this and

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it's pretty scary it's been hiding at

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the bottom of a lake for centuries

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Friday click it's coming to the surface

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that was him Scully it's definitely not

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safe to go back in the water it looks

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and smiles Friday at 9/8 at all I mean

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it was about a sea monster but this

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thing was like pulling people under the

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water beheading people and it was gross

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yeah it was unlike anything I'd seen on

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TV before I would set I was sucked after

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that how did you how did you how did you

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see the other episode like the previous

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everyone else this is obviously before

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so I was kind of living it as it was

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only these monster of the week sort of

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things where they go out and investigate

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a ghost or a monster

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there was this overarching story this

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mythology of this huge grand alien

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conspiracy so what it was so four people

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my mother who've never seen the show

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yeah how would you describe the x-files

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yeah yeah we should probably give a

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Cliff Notes version uh so the x-files is

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two FBI agents one a firm believer in

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the paranormal the unexplained UFOs and

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one a super skeptic so we have Dana

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Scully who is hired to debunk these

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cases known as the x-files agent Mulder

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I'm Dana Scully I've been assigned to

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work with you oh isn't it nice to be

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suddenly so highly regarded so who did

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you take off to get stuck with this

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details Kelly actually I'm looking

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forward to working with you I've heard a

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lot about you oh really

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I was under the impression that you were

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sent to spy on me cases that the FBI

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either have never solved or it's just a

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little too fringe for them they give

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them to agent Fox Mulder who used to be

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a profiler for the FBI he he was known

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for bringing for arresting one of the

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most famous serial killers at the time

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but as time went on he got into all this

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UFO stuff we find out that as a child

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his sister was supposedly abducted by

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aliens

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it sent him on this lifelong course to

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not only find his sister but find out

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the truth about aliens

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so again Scully is brought in to debunk

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all of these cases give a scientific

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answer for them and Mulder is there to

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say it's aliens it's this it's that so

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you have a really interesting dichotomy

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between these two main characters and

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every week they would investigate a new

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X file and they investigate it for nine

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ten ten seasons now yeah it's I I

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haven't I never watched the show before

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knowing that we were going to be doing

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this podcast and I saw my first episode

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yesterday I saw the pilot the second

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episode and then I just watched this

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morning another episode that you sent me

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though I forget what the title is I can

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find it or I could describe to you

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you'll know it but that pilot episodes

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great holy crud all very noisy oh it

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well first of all it's very nineties

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because it was the nineties I know uh

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Scully's a fashion choices are quite a

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bit gorgeous woman shoulder pads she

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could clear most doorways actually my

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boyfriend max was watching it with me a

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little bit while he was like playing on

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his phone I was like who wears that

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anymore to their job like especially if

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you're like going in I guess she had

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like a skirt on with heels and stuff

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like you're in the field yeah what do

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you want some comfortable shoes you're

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gonna go chase an alien well maybe he

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heard she was like my library and Sheikh

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will like maybe keep me undercover

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I think it's the second episode where

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you see her running like full-speed in

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heels and he's I mean do it she can

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she's she knows what's up I do love that

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pilot though I actually watched the

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x-files for the first time a couple of

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months ago when it was on Netflix and

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it's always I stayed very very far away

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from it as a child because I'm a little

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scaredy-cat and I thought that it was

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very scary and then someone was like you

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know it's kind there's a little there's

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a few it is a little scary but it's not

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like as terrifying as I thought it was

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but overall I was very impressed but I

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like the setup and the writing I thought

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it was a really unique idea I love like

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these types of supernatural shows like

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supernatural

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and it's I just really enjoy like

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discovering that mythology and playing

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with it in a very like real kind of

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modern way and I also like how are the

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episodes they never really find out what

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happens right as the viewers are granted

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this extra view into what's actually

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happening but they can never truly

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explain it that's a good point it

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reminds me a lot of my doogie howser in

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the sense that every episode of Doogie

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Howser would start with him writing in

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his diary and it's like old 8-bit

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computer or whatever and for this one

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you would have Scully or Mulder

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introduced the case and then by the end

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like give sort of their I guess their

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debriefing of what it was and you're

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right they always remained unexplained

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it was very rare that they ever solved

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the case through science or through

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pseudoscience or even through you know

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metaphysics or mystical whatever what

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have you they just it remained elusive

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throughout the whole series and I think

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that's kind of what kept it going you

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can I guess I mean as like writing a

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show from that standpoint you can't

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really put a pin in it every episode

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because then that takes away from

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searching and trying to find out the

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truth once you kind of solidify

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something does that make sense like if

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it doesn't stay mystical and it doesn't

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stay elusive then I feel like it's

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harder to keep that going you keep each

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episode being like what's gonna happen

398
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next are they gonna find out are they

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what are they gonna find the pilot

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episode the pilot episode I was I was

401
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like aliens are real and Scully

402
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get on it like what the [\h__\h] and then

403
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the next episode she's like I stole it

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all I'm like what the [\h__\h] you just saw

405
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like all that crazy [\h__\h] just happened

406
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like do it and then I watched the other

407
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one which is on season four three and

408
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it's like the you said or like a sillier

409
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one where they're like the government is

410
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abducting people that one yeah and I was

411
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like you you're still you still don't

412
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believe we're in like a season four

413
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I think actually kind of going back to

414
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Scully I think it's such an interesting

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like character trait she has because I

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think it really reflects on humanity as

417
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a whole because as humans we so often

418
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put ourselves in denial not necessarily

419
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about the supernatural but enough things

420
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that we see with our own freaking eyes

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because they mess with our worldview or

422
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they mess with what we want to be true

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so even though you see it with your play

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not like with your eyes like it actually

425
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happened you're like no like she tries

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to explain it and sometimes she's just

427
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like I can't explain it but it's not

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that yes but it's like he's but Mulder's

429
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making the most sense because I don't

430
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want to believe him is that why you came

431
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down here to prove that it wasn't true

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no I came down here because you asked me

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to why can't you be honest with me what

434
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do you want me to say that you're right

435
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that that I believe it even if I don't I

436
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mean is that what you want is that what

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you think I want to hear no you can

438
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believe what you want to believe Scully

439
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but you can't hide the truth from me

440
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because if you do then you're working

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against me and yourself it's interesting

442
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in the beginning when the show first

443
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started it was so in-your-face that

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Mulder would experience these things he

445
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would see the UFO he would see a group

446
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of aliens in some abandoned warehouse

447
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and Scully what always come in at the

448
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last second when it did ya know that got

449
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a little ridiculous as the series went

450
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on it was - come on seriously he can't

451
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fall he season she doesn't but as the

452
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show goes on

453
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they gave Scully more agency they give

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this character more to work with and New

455
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Balance sneakers so she wouldn't have is

456
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sponsored by balance 90 so it's not the

457
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best time for feminism I would say in

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terms of that so constantly making her

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the character to have to rescue or it

460
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was clear that not only the writers but

461
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Gillian Anderson was like no this isn't

462
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what I signed up for like you wanted a

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strong female character let's do that

464
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let's make her complex complicated so

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it's pretty interesting I don't know if

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you guys know what happened during the

467
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it was either the first season or the

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second season Gillian Anderson got

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pregnant and

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this this put like a huge roadblock in

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the show they weren't sure what to do

472
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she's like well I'm gonna have to leave

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for like to have the baby all of this

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and they're like the show just became

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huge the first season was one of Fox one

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of the biggest successes of all time

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like oh my god what are we gonna do and

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that completely changed the entire

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course of the show for the next ten

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seasons

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oh really yeah they they worked it into

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the script and in the second season they

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had her get abducted by aliens

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oh [\h__\h] really yeah that's and that's

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why she's pregnant is she pregnant with

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an alien baby my something else Eddie to

487
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something that I need for you to keep to

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yourself I think a hard time explaining

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or believe it hum

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[Music]

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you'd hit the nail at least that's what

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the show was alluding to and you sort of

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start to learn more as the series goes a

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spoiler alert okay okay so many many

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seasons later she ends up yeah I mean

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not many see that she has the baby on

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the series and it turns out to be some

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sort of alien human hybrid superpowers

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it can move things with its mind this

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that this that it got a little crazy as

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the series goes on they kept like they

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kept the kid there what's she like I

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guess this is my kid no no she ends up

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giving it up for adoption

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and did she tell them like in the

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paperwork being like it's an alien

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father alien imagine how that would go

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over at the adoption agency yeah your

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baby has alien DNA did the baby look

510
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like a human and it just like had these

511
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supernatural powers yeah it was totally

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human nothing really stood out about it

513
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yeah so she gets abducted yep she comes

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back what after a couple episodes and

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she's pregnant oh I feel like three

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months pregnant six months pregnant is

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she see is she showing so in the

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television show to the side like in her

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rib cage like that's where the baby is

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that's a baby she had a hunchback it's

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like I think I'm pregnant it up there

522
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yeah what do you do for a lien baby

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shower is all the decoration green go in

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the door it screen it's great it's all

525
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like dayglo with black lights it's like

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a Spencer's gifts seemed baby she you

527
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couldn't have brought a better describe

528
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right yes yes Spencer's gifts like in

529
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the back where the posters are yeah

530
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and the lobsters mushroom posters along

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the Lampson there's a neon sign there's

532
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definitely like a stairway to heaven you

533
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know and I mean I I don't know why just

534
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you know goes with the theme you guys

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but I'm trying to remember how they sort

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of worked it in I knew the kid it was

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one of those like almost Virgin Mary

538
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things where she gets abducted and comes

539
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:49,450
back pregnant so then you've got more

540
00:24:53,310 --> 00:24:51,520
time to work with oh my god what

541
00:24:55,050 --> 00:24:53,320
happened how did I get pregnant I you

542
00:24:56,090 --> 00:24:55,060
know I've never I haven't been with

543
00:24:59,910 --> 00:24:56,100
anyone I'm too busy at work

544
00:25:02,430 --> 00:24:59,920
investigating ghosts and UFOs and having

545
00:25:07,860 --> 00:25:02,440
steamy steamy sexual tension with my

546
00:25:10,650 --> 00:25:07,870
Mike oasis because I was like from the

547
00:25:13,140 --> 00:25:10,660
beginning yeah and you're a shipper I

548
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:13,150
was definitely a shipper on that yeah I

549
00:25:17,310 --> 00:25:15,250
get on it well don't you know that

550
00:25:19,020 --> 00:25:17,320
proper surveillance requires two pairs

551
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:19,030
of agents one pair relieving the other

552
00:25:22,380 --> 00:25:21,490
after 12 hours are equal 30 paragraph

553
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:22,390
eight point seven

554
00:25:26,010 --> 00:25:24,010
this isn't about doing it by the book

555
00:25:26,490 --> 00:25:26,020
this is about you not having slept for

556
00:25:28,500 --> 00:25:26,500
three days

557
00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:28,510
Mulder you're gonna get sloppy and

558
00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:30,130
you're gonna get hurt it's inevitable at

559
00:25:33,660 --> 00:25:32,110
this point a request for other agents to

560
00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:33,670
stake out tools would be denied so then

561
00:25:40,140 --> 00:25:35,710
we have no grounds well then I'll stay

562
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:40,150
here you go home Fox and I even made my

563
00:25:45,060 --> 00:25:41,490
parents call me Mulder

564
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:45,070
holder Mulder I wouldn't put myself on

565
00:25:55,220 --> 00:25:48,400
the line for anybody but you if there's

566
00:26:03,570 --> 00:26:01,200
must be fate Mulder root beer oh well

567
00:26:05,490 --> 00:26:03,580
that brings up a good point too now this

568
00:26:08,430 --> 00:26:05,500
was also the time where message boards

569
00:26:11,340 --> 00:26:08,440
were big when the show came so you had

570
00:26:12,990 --> 00:26:11,350
people saying week to week about the

571
00:26:15,150 --> 00:26:13,000
x-files like what are they gonna get

572
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:15,160
together or you should talk about this

573
00:26:19,289 --> 00:26:16,480
or you should talk about that

574
00:26:22,770 --> 00:26:19,299
and the writers have come forward and

575
00:26:25,140 --> 00:26:22,780
admitted that episodes were made were

576
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:25,150
created directly from people on the

577
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:27,730
message boards giving them you know

578
00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:30,010
ideas of what to write about or what

579
00:26:33,299 --> 00:26:31,360
they would like what they didn't like

580
00:26:35,370 --> 00:26:33,309
about the show and it was one of the

581
00:26:37,470 --> 00:26:35,380
first times in I believe television

582
00:26:39,330 --> 00:26:37,480
history where like the internet and

583
00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:39,340
message boards where the fans were truly

584
00:26:44,700 --> 00:26:42,370
a part of the show which was really cool

585
00:26:46,919 --> 00:26:44,710
yeah yeah and that's like a common thing

586
00:26:49,950 --> 00:26:46,929
now where people be like bring the show

587
00:26:51,630 --> 00:26:49,960
back we love it yeah I think actually

588
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:51,640
we'll just like sidebar than we'll go

589
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:52,960
right back into the x-files but my

590
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:54,490
theory about the game of Thrones and

591
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:56,290
name that just took place is that it was

592
00:27:03,180 --> 00:27:00,880
completely like just hand fan driven

593
00:27:05,220 --> 00:27:03,190
driven like it was all things that fans

594
00:27:06,330 --> 00:27:05,230
wanted to see but yeah yeah which I

595
00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:06,340
don't know it was kind of like I'm games

596
00:27:12,930 --> 00:27:08,110
Game of Thrones like but anyway I

597
00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:12,940
digress a show I've never seen and you

598
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:14,710
watch it I watched it tried to watch it

599
00:27:19,260 --> 00:27:16,960
a couple years ago and I failed because

600
00:27:22,380 --> 00:27:19,270
and then I tried again with subtitles

601
00:27:24,330 --> 00:27:22,390
and you know what I do subtitles for a

602
00:27:25,950 --> 00:27:24,340
lot of because they're all freaking

603
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:25,960
mumble and they're British accents and

604
00:27:30,810 --> 00:27:28,000
they all got weird ass names and there's

605
00:27:32,580 --> 00:27:30,820
like a cast of 50 people and so it

606
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:32,590
actually really helps because I'm be

607
00:27:35,820 --> 00:27:34,480
like this guy has like eight names but

608
00:27:37,260 --> 00:27:35,830
you're calling him by this name and he's

609
00:27:38,810 --> 00:27:37,270
not on screen it's really hard to like

610
00:27:44,270 --> 00:27:38,820
kind of follow those plot points right

611
00:27:48,450 --> 00:27:47,039
that being said it's like what 70 hours

612
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:48,460
of television you have to dedicate your

613
00:27:52,980 --> 00:27:50,650
life to so I can do it I can do it I

614
00:27:54,810 --> 00:27:52,990
believe in myself yeah take a moment you

615
00:27:57,330 --> 00:27:54,820
know I can do like I was thinking about

616
00:27:59,940 --> 00:27:57,340
it because it is a show that I am

617
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:59,950
interested in watching and it does seem

618
00:28:03,450 --> 00:28:01,120
like it would be right up my alley I

619
00:28:05,549 --> 00:28:03,460
love all that kind of stuff and I was

620
00:28:07,410 --> 00:28:05,559
like you know what an hour a day you

621
00:28:08,610 --> 00:28:07,420
know the time you get home and

622
00:28:10,110 --> 00:28:08,620
be caught up for next summer and then

623
00:28:11,940 --> 00:28:10,120
you can get wrapped up in all the

624
00:28:14,370 --> 00:28:11,950
nonsense really get into the whole

625
00:28:18,270 --> 00:28:14,380
rigmarole of the whole thing yeah but

626
00:28:20,910 --> 00:28:18,280
I'm back to sexual tension you guys do

627
00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:20,920
they do they don't they do there don't

628
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:21,310
they

629
00:28:28,110 --> 00:28:24,970
so this is something that was throughout

630
00:28:31,230 --> 00:28:28,120
the entire show where you always thought

631
00:28:34,110 --> 00:28:31,240
they were going to and it's tough it's

632
00:28:36,270 --> 00:28:34,120
tough because they they form such a

633
00:28:38,850 --> 00:28:36,280
strong bond throughout the series having

634
00:28:42,150 --> 00:28:38,860
experienced like the most weird crazy

635
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:42,160
can I swear on your raise your [\h__\h] you

636
00:28:45,570 --> 00:28:44,290
can possibly think of life-altering

637
00:28:47,670 --> 00:28:45,580
things together

638
00:28:49,950 --> 00:28:47,680
I can't imagine like a relationship

639
00:28:51,870 --> 00:28:49,960
becoming stronger after having

640
00:28:54,180 --> 00:28:51,880
experienced things like that so I think

641
00:28:57,090 --> 00:28:54,190
a lot of people hoped it wouldn't happen

642
00:28:58,410 --> 00:28:57,100
but then again you see you have certain

643
00:29:01,140 --> 00:28:58,420
episodes of the show where you see how

644
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:01,150
lonely each character is in their

645
00:29:05,490 --> 00:29:03,010
personal lives outside of the office

646
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:05,500
outside of what they do and you're like

647
00:29:10,140 --> 00:29:07,810
oh just get together why did they assign

648
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:10,150
me to you in the first place Mulder to

649
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:12,970
debunk your work to rein you in to shut

650
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:14,530
you dead you saved me

651
00:29:18,450 --> 00:29:17,050
as difficult as frustrating as it's been

652
00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:18,460
sometimes your goddamn strict

653
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:20,110
rationalism and science would save me a

654
00:29:26,130 --> 00:29:23,200
thousand times over you kept me honest

655
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:26,140
he made me a whole person I owe you

656
00:29:34,140 --> 00:29:30,810
everything you owe me nothing together

657
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:34,150
you're already like in motels in right

658
00:29:38,670 --> 00:29:36,880
you know the sticks of America right

659
00:29:41,370 --> 00:29:38,680
just get on it yeah you know what I mean

660
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:41,380
I mean if it was the first episode where

661
00:29:45,410 --> 00:29:43,600
Scully comes in if she's got like these

662
00:29:49,890 --> 00:29:45,420
weird

663
00:29:52,380 --> 00:29:49,900
I was like yeah here it is oh my god

664
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:52,390
already it's their first case together

665
00:29:57,390 --> 00:29:55,360
yeah and they you know she trusts her

666
00:30:00,360 --> 00:29:57,400
partner enough to be like okay I'm just

667
00:30:02,970 --> 00:30:00,370
gonna lift my shirt up and she's like

668
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:02,980
she had the robe on it wasn't her and I

669
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:04,690
was just like good for you this is gonna

670
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:07,090
happen and then he just like but the

671
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:09,730
candlelight I was like yeah of course on

672
00:30:14,670 --> 00:30:12,970
the line but they don't they don't they

673
00:30:17,140 --> 00:30:14,680
don't and as I understand they don't get

674
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:17,150
together throughout the entire

675
00:30:23,090 --> 00:30:20,610
what happens it never does well so I'm

676
00:30:25,670 --> 00:30:23,100
sure you guys know the nine seasons were

677
00:30:28,370 --> 00:30:25,680
kind of like the x-files the official

678
00:30:32,810 --> 00:30:28,380
x-files with two movies interspersed

679
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:32,820
between and we got a season ten last

680
00:30:40,790 --> 00:30:35,370
year a miniseries we're getting a full

681
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:40,800
season 11 now in the last season of the

682
00:30:45,410 --> 00:30:43,650
show they do get together they finally

683
00:30:47,690 --> 00:30:45,420
gave the shippers what they wanted and

684
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:47,700
then you come to find out that the baby

685
00:30:53,930 --> 00:30:51,930
is actually Mulder was abducted at one

686
00:30:59,630 --> 00:30:53,940
point in the series Scully was abducted

687
00:31:02,030 --> 00:30:59,640
this baby is theirs and it kind of just

688
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:02,040
the original series ends that way with

689
00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:04,530
them on the run from the government

690
00:31:09,230 --> 00:31:07,110
they've exposed this huge conspiracy

691
00:31:11,570 --> 00:31:09,240
that the aliens are working with this

692
00:31:14,450 --> 00:31:11,580
shadowy government I could definitely go

693
00:31:16,130 --> 00:31:14,460
into more specifics of you db2 and the

694
00:31:18,050 --> 00:31:16,140
series ends with them just in bed

695
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:18,060
holding each other it's an extremely

696
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:21,450
touching heartwarming and then when this

697
00:31:25,700 --> 00:31:23,760
season 10 came back last year a lot of

698
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:25,710
years have passed everything's changed

699
00:31:31,550 --> 00:31:29,610
and we see that they their relationship

700
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:31,560
couldn't stand the test of time and

701
00:31:36,140 --> 00:31:33,930
they're they're separated at this point

702
00:31:42,860 --> 00:31:36,150
so now we're back to square one

703
00:31:46,330 --> 00:31:42,870
where hopefully they'll reconnect how to

704
00:31:49,580 --> 00:31:46,340
go to therapy for sex addiction he did

705
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:49,590
there's a fun fact about Mulder too he

706
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:54,240
is David Duchovny or molder matter which

707
00:31:59,390 --> 00:31:56,250
should they're strikingly similar but

708
00:32:02,330 --> 00:31:59,400
Mulder is actually a porn addict no in

709
00:32:05,410 --> 00:32:02,340
the x-files yeah and you get glimpses of

710
00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:05,420
this throughout the series he has like

711
00:32:09,170 --> 00:32:07,500
prostitutes leaving messages on his

712
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:09,180
answering machine

713
00:32:16,340 --> 00:32:14,010
yep 90s or he has you know a bill comes

714
00:32:17,810 --> 00:32:16,350
in the mail and it's all you know sex

715
00:32:21,499 --> 00:32:17,820
lines or something

716
00:32:23,509 --> 00:32:21,509
which is maybe doing maybe David

717
00:32:25,099 --> 00:32:23,519
Duchovny this is my theory from hearing

718
00:32:28,489 --> 00:32:25,109
those four sentences you just had

719
00:32:32,690 --> 00:32:28,499
research doing method acting it has to

720
00:32:34,940 --> 00:32:32,700
has to meet up with you know some phone

721
00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:34,950
sex line stuff yep as well as like watch

722
00:32:38,719 --> 00:32:36,809
a ton of porn and then it says it's a

723
00:32:40,430 --> 00:32:38,729
spiral II it's it's a it's a downward

724
00:32:43,789 --> 00:32:40,440
spiral from there I feel like every

725
00:32:46,669 --> 00:32:43,799
actor writer has used that expired too

726
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:46,679
much yeah yeah so let's talk a little

727
00:32:50,719 --> 00:32:48,210
bit about how your lower the x-files

728
00:32:53,419 --> 00:32:50,729
affected your life yeah so like were you

729
00:32:55,729 --> 00:32:53,429
where you did you share this like of the

730
00:32:57,649 --> 00:32:55,739
show with your friends or would it kind

731
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:57,659
of like separate you from them like how

732
00:33:00,440 --> 00:32:58,799
did it kind of come through in your

733
00:33:07,159 --> 00:33:00,450
daily life I mean you read you wrote a

734
00:33:10,339 --> 00:33:07,169
book about aliens yeah your life - and I

735
00:33:13,239 --> 00:33:10,349
think I'm like people like me or kind of

736
00:33:16,039 --> 00:33:13,249
the closest it comes doing actual like

737
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:16,049
ufologist they sort of call it which is

738
00:33:20,749 --> 00:33:18,330
an interesting term but between the show

739
00:33:23,210 --> 00:33:20,759
and my personal interest in UFOs and

740
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:23,220
aliens no I did not share it with many

741
00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:25,679
people for most of my life you know as

742
00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:28,769
an adolescent school took over sports

743
00:33:35,479 --> 00:33:31,710
girls everything you know that a young

744
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:35,489
person experiences and this this weird

745
00:33:40,639 --> 00:33:37,679
fringe topic was always kind of in the

746
00:33:42,289 --> 00:33:40,649
background I would research it without

747
00:33:44,450 --> 00:33:42,299
anyone knowing I would watch the x-files

748
00:33:47,139 --> 00:33:44,460
and not have anyone to talk about it

749
00:33:49,729 --> 00:33:47,149
with unless I like snuck down onto

750
00:33:54,589 --> 00:33:49,739
America online and got on the message

751
00:33:56,690 --> 00:33:54,599
boards x-files fan the 1996 what was

752
00:34:01,219 --> 00:33:56,700
your what was your what was your screen

753
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:01,229
name I'm so ready so this is what I

754
00:34:06,289 --> 00:34:03,210
wanted on my license plate if I ever get

755
00:34:10,909 --> 00:34:06,299
a car again it was the letter I mm-hmm

756
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:10,919
for UFOs nice yeah yeah you're Pro UFO

757
00:34:14,180 --> 00:34:12,450
I'm still waiting I'm just still waiting

758
00:34:15,889 --> 00:34:14,190
for that day to happen and I know

759
00:34:17,690 --> 00:34:15,899
someone probably has it oh yeah yeah

760
00:34:21,049 --> 00:34:17,700
you'll be able to get a vanity plate I'm

761
00:34:22,909 --> 00:34:21,059
sure hopefully so it was like a guilt it

762
00:34:24,619 --> 00:34:22,919
was a real guilty but you didn't really

763
00:34:26,329 --> 00:34:24,629
talk about it did you feel like if you

764
00:34:28,460 --> 00:34:26,339
talked about it you would you'd be

765
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:28,470
looked at differently there's a big

766
00:34:31,129 --> 00:34:30,089
ridicule factor when it comes to this

767
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:31,139
you look at anyone

768
00:34:36,139 --> 00:34:34,079
reports in actual UFO sighting or the

769
00:34:39,319 --> 00:34:36,149
way the news media handles it and it's

770
00:34:42,109 --> 00:34:39,329
always with a smirk or a side glance or

771
00:34:45,259 --> 00:34:42,119
they put the x-files music behind it and

772
00:34:47,359 --> 00:34:45,269
that that that bothered me you know as a

773
00:34:50,539 --> 00:34:47,369
kid that you're very persuaded you

774
00:34:51,319 --> 00:34:50,549
didn't want to be different you wanted

775
00:34:53,659 --> 00:34:51,329
to fit in

776
00:34:55,849 --> 00:34:53,669
so that ridicule factor did affect me I

777
00:34:57,769 --> 00:34:55,859
didn't talk about it with anybody for a

778
00:35:01,519 --> 00:34:57,779
really long time I would say not until

779
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:01,529
college or so when I when I sort of grew

780
00:35:05,150 --> 00:35:03,359
into myself and became comfortable as

781
00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:05,160
when I started shouting it from the

782
00:35:08,589 --> 00:35:07,710
rooftops to be like hey UFOs are pretty

783
00:35:11,779 --> 00:35:08,599
cool

784
00:35:13,609 --> 00:35:11,789
they're super awesome and everyone

785
00:35:15,799 --> 00:35:13,619
should look into it and that's when I

786
00:35:17,809 --> 00:35:15,809
really got heavily into it I started

787
00:35:20,809 --> 00:35:17,819
seeking people out and interviewing them

788
00:35:23,359 --> 00:35:20,819
about having seen a UFO or claimed to

789
00:35:25,370 --> 00:35:23,369
have been abducted by aliens or even

790
00:35:28,309 --> 00:35:25,380
seen a ghost like going into the more

791
00:35:31,789 --> 00:35:28,319
paranormal and supernatural realm and

792
00:35:35,089 --> 00:35:31,799
that that really sparked my my interest

793
00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:35,099
in furthering that I started writing

794
00:35:39,799 --> 00:35:37,529
essays about it or submitting to these

795
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:39,809
alternative magazines and writing about

796
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:41,609
it and it kind of snowballed from there

797
00:35:46,940 --> 00:35:43,920
and then that's kind of the culmination

798
00:35:49,460 --> 00:35:46,950
of the book it's hundreds of people who

799
00:35:52,099 --> 00:35:49,470
I've interviewed about having seen UFOs

800
00:35:54,140 --> 00:35:52,109
or claimed alien abduction and I mean

801
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:54,150
these are everyday people yeah their

802
00:35:59,349 --> 00:35:56,490
teachers their doctors their law

803
00:36:02,809 --> 00:35:59,359
enforcement so these aren't like crazy

804
00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:02,819
backwoods people who were drunk seeing a

805
00:36:06,890 --> 00:36:04,529
light in the sky and saying it was an

806
00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:06,900
alien they these people experienced

807
00:36:11,930 --> 00:36:08,609
something they couldn't explain it was

808
00:36:14,180 --> 00:36:11,940
unidentified and it changed their lives

809
00:36:16,430 --> 00:36:14,190
and that's kind of what I wanted to

810
00:36:18,769 --> 00:36:16,440
encapsulate is how something like this

811
00:36:20,980 --> 00:36:18,779
can affect your life and change your

812
00:36:23,539 --> 00:36:20,990
life and make your entire outlook on

813
00:36:26,089 --> 00:36:23,549
reality or what you thought the world

814
00:36:28,849 --> 00:36:26,099
was how it can make a change yeah what's

815
00:36:30,740 --> 00:36:28,859
one of the most fascinating or eerie

816
00:36:32,029 --> 00:36:30,750
what was the big like out of all the

817
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:32,039
interviews you've had or if it's one of

818
00:36:36,259 --> 00:36:33,690
your own personal experience what story

819
00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:36,269
like really resonates you and like kind

820
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:39,089
of revisits your mind okay so there

821
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:42,450
there's one story in the book where it's

822
00:36:48,740 --> 00:36:45,090
between a mother and her two

823
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:48,750
this is in Michigan and they lived near

824
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:52,320
Lake Michigan and they had a sighting of

825
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:55,530
like a triangular UFO over their home

826
00:37:00,680 --> 00:36:58,320
and what really caught my attention is

827
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:00,690
when I interviewed each of the women

828
00:37:05,300 --> 00:37:03,090
individually because I always want to

829
00:37:07,820 --> 00:37:05,310
get like a personal story and see how

830
00:37:10,100 --> 00:37:07,830
they correlate it was fascinating

831
00:37:12,430 --> 00:37:10,110
because each of them described what they

832
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:12,440
saw completely differently like how it

833
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:14,400
physiologically affected them or

834
00:37:19,070 --> 00:37:16,410
psychologically affected them which I

835
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:19,080
thought was really cool so the mother

836
00:37:24,350 --> 00:37:21,930
she saw the triangle and she said that

837
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:24,360
she felt euphoric when she saw it like

838
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:27,920
it was super calm and peaceful and

839
00:37:34,070 --> 00:37:30,690
completely silent and then I talked to

840
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:34,080
her daughter and she said no I felt like

841
00:37:38,330 --> 00:37:36,210
threatened I felt like we were about to

842
00:37:40,940 --> 00:37:38,340
get invaded by something and it was

843
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:40,950
unbearably loud so it was really

844
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:43,050
interesting to me that these these

845
00:37:47,210 --> 00:37:45,450
people were looking at the same thing

846
00:37:49,970 --> 00:37:47,220
but having completely different

847
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:49,980
experiences so that one really stuck

848
00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:51,570
with me and I come across that a lot

849
00:37:56,690 --> 00:37:53,730
with individuals who claim to have seen

850
00:37:59,330 --> 00:37:56,700
these things so is so people have are

851
00:38:02,870 --> 00:37:59,340
there other instances where people were

852
00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:02,880
telling you of the same instance but

853
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:05,609
experiencing it completely different yes

854
00:38:09,830 --> 00:38:07,200
and do you feel like that discredits it

855
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:09,840
or it's or is it just like that is an

856
00:38:14,810 --> 00:38:12,810
element of coming in close contact with

857
00:38:16,940 --> 00:38:14,820
one of these things I think it is I

858
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:16,950
think like the subtitle of my book says

859
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:19,770
it's a very human experience and we

860
00:38:23,930 --> 00:38:22,320
memory is faulty we all experience

861
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:23,940
things completely different and I think

862
00:38:27,740 --> 00:38:25,770
it has something to do with that

863
00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:27,750
whatever these people are seeing I'm not

864
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:29,730
saying it's aliens from another planet

865
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:32,160
it's literally something unconventional

866
00:38:36,650 --> 00:38:34,530
and that they can't explain in that

867
00:38:38,030 --> 00:38:36,660
moment that it it affects each of them

868
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:38,040
differently I don't think it discredits

869
00:38:42,500 --> 00:38:40,410
them having interviewed hundreds and

870
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:42,510
hundreds of people I can tell you some

871
00:38:47,540 --> 00:38:45,119
people are just batshit crazy yeah some

872
00:38:49,609 --> 00:38:47,550
people are delusional and some people

873
00:38:51,650 --> 00:38:49,619
make it up they just make it up they

874
00:38:55,099 --> 00:38:51,660
they think it's gonna you know give them

875
00:38:57,819 --> 00:38:55,109
notoriety or something but then there

876
00:39:00,039 --> 00:38:57,829
are those cases which I firmly

877
00:39:03,279 --> 00:39:00,049
believe in the book are those people who

878
00:39:05,469 --> 00:39:03,289
genuinely saw something and experienced

879
00:39:06,999 --> 00:39:05,479
it and it changed a life so what are

880
00:39:08,949 --> 00:39:07,009
what are some ways that you can kind of

881
00:39:10,299 --> 00:39:08,959
like differentiate between those types

882
00:39:12,039 --> 00:39:10,309
of people like the ones that are

883
00:39:13,930 --> 00:39:12,049
delusional are just making stuff up

884
00:39:16,989 --> 00:39:13,940
versus people that have a very genuine

885
00:39:18,489 --> 00:39:16,999
response to your questions I think a lot

886
00:39:21,039 --> 00:39:18,499
of it has to do with following up with

887
00:39:24,910 --> 00:39:21,049
people like someone can tell you a story

888
00:39:26,739 --> 00:39:24,920
and you never talk to him again so what

889
00:39:29,019 --> 00:39:26,749
do I have to go on with that so with a

890
00:39:30,729 --> 00:39:29,029
lot of these people I will go back time

891
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:30,739
and time again and try to trip them up

892
00:39:35,170 --> 00:39:33,170
try to you know say oh so it happened in

893
00:39:38,109 --> 00:39:35,180
October but it actually happened in

894
00:39:40,809 --> 00:39:38,119
August you know just not trying to

895
00:39:43,269 --> 00:39:40,819
deceive them but just trying to see how

896
00:39:44,829 --> 00:39:43,279
accurate it is how honest they can

897
00:39:48,519 --> 00:39:44,839
actually be with me I mean I'm no

898
00:39:52,690 --> 00:39:48,529
lie-detector by any means I I don't have

899
00:39:55,479 --> 00:39:52,700
any credentials to say like this is what

900
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:55,489
it was they're telling the truth I go on

901
00:40:00,430 --> 00:39:57,410
gut instinct I think with a lot of these

902
00:40:01,809 --> 00:40:00,440
people and I remember talking to one

903
00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:01,819
woman who claimed to have been abducted

904
00:40:09,370 --> 00:40:05,089
by aliens and I met with her in a diner

905
00:40:11,289 --> 00:40:09,380
with her husband and she was so scared

906
00:40:13,989 --> 00:40:11,299
to like come forward and tell me this

907
00:40:17,229 --> 00:40:13,999
story and she was like gripping her

908
00:40:20,650 --> 00:40:17,239
husband's hands so tight and like

909
00:40:22,660 --> 00:40:20,660
shaking and crying and he's just like

910
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:22,670
supporting her and saying like you can

911
00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:23,599
do it you can do it

912
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:27,529
whoa like not only does she believe this

913
00:40:31,779 --> 00:40:29,599
happened to her he believes her and

914
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:31,789
supports are in it so right there no

915
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:33,650
matter what happened to her it could

916
00:40:38,289 --> 00:40:36,410
have been anything these people firmly

917
00:40:39,999 --> 00:40:38,299
believe that these things have happened

918
00:40:42,579 --> 00:40:40,009
to them and I'm not gonna take that away

919
00:40:44,319 --> 00:40:42,589
from them I'm gonna take their story I'm

920
00:40:45,459 --> 00:40:44,329
gonna get it out there and let the

921
00:40:48,609 --> 00:40:45,469
public decide

922
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:48,619
I guess you're like a hybrid of Mulder

923
00:40:59,979 --> 00:40:57,410
and Scully yeah I think you're coming at

924
00:41:01,719 --> 00:40:59,989
it from a very unwisely like reasonable

925
00:41:03,759 --> 00:41:01,729
place but like you're coming from like a

926
00:41:06,519 --> 00:41:03,769
very honest place and you you know

927
00:41:09,339 --> 00:41:06,529
you've had your experience and I think

928
00:41:10,970 --> 00:41:09,349
that opens your eyes to what other

929
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:10,980
people may have experienced in

930
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:12,810
and really being empathetic towards

931
00:41:17,330 --> 00:41:14,730
these people I think you know I think

932
00:41:18,890 --> 00:41:17,340
you know but also being like reasonable

933
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:18,900
about it yeah you know what I mean like

934
00:41:22,580 --> 00:41:20,880
you're really taking it like these are

935
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:22,590
this is the story these are the facts

936
00:41:29,359 --> 00:41:26,640
who's to say what it was not everybody

937
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:29,369
was there but this is you know I this

938
00:41:33,620 --> 00:41:31,440
I'm listening to this story and I'm

939
00:41:36,170 --> 00:41:33,630
seeing someone be truly honest with me

940
00:41:40,220 --> 00:41:36,180
or you know seems to be a lot like

941
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:40,230
Scully I think it's if I'm going to say

942
00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:41,850
that if I'm gonna write a book about

943
00:41:46,780 --> 00:41:44,609
UFOs or even like talk to these people

944
00:41:50,359 --> 00:41:46,790
about it I think you have sort of a

945
00:41:52,130 --> 00:41:50,369
responsibility to to bring only the most

946
00:41:53,630 --> 00:41:52,140
credible things forward and not try to

947
00:41:56,359 --> 00:41:53,640
enable these people who might be

948
00:41:58,970 --> 00:41:56,369
delusional or whatnot so I think you

949
00:42:00,680 --> 00:41:58,980
have your job isn't to prove that it was

950
00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:00,690
alien sir job is to prove that it was

951
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:03,030
anything but aliens so then when that's

952
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:05,490
the only answer left that's when you

953
00:42:10,460 --> 00:42:06,690
really have to look at it and be like

954
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:10,470
what is going on yeah 99% of UFO

955
00:42:15,050 --> 00:42:12,930
sightings can be explained firmly like

956
00:42:17,300 --> 00:42:15,060
in some Prezi a conventional way but

957
00:42:19,490 --> 00:42:17,310
there's always that 1% and that's kind

958
00:42:20,930 --> 00:42:19,500
of what I'm looking at and other people

959
00:42:23,900 --> 00:42:20,940
who are interested are looking at that

960
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:23,910
1% of these things that just cannot be

961
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:26,130
explained and continue to perpetuate and

962
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:30,690
happen that's freaking wild that's wild

963
00:42:36,260 --> 00:42:33,570
what do you think about the future of

964
00:42:38,660 --> 00:42:36,270
x-files I feel like there's movies and

965
00:42:41,390 --> 00:42:38,670
there's other seasons coming out where

966
00:42:44,300 --> 00:42:41,400
do you think that the I guess franchise

967
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:44,310
is going yes so it's interesting between

968
00:42:48,290 --> 00:42:46,530
the end of season 9 which we believed

969
00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:48,300
was going to be the end of the x-files

970
00:42:52,970 --> 00:42:50,609
it was a completely different America a

971
00:43:00,980 --> 00:42:52,980
different world that we were living in

972
00:43:02,930 --> 00:43:00,990
what year was it was very different from

973
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:02,940
2016 exactly

974
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:06,210
and within that series those nine

975
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:08,850
seasons it was it was this whole grand

976
00:43:14,270 --> 00:43:11,760
conspiracy of aliens that they were

977
00:43:16,190 --> 00:43:14,280
working with this shadow government like

978
00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:16,200
I said to like they were they were going

979
00:43:19,460 --> 00:43:17,609
to come invade earth no matter what

980
00:43:21,500 --> 00:43:19,470
there was no question like look we're

981
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:21,510
vastly more intelligent than you we're

982
00:43:24,430 --> 00:43:23,520
gonna come here deplete your resources

983
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:24,440
do it we're gonna

984
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:27,170
do we will save some of you and that's

985
00:43:31,569 --> 00:43:29,810
this like shadow government so then this

986
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:31,579
is like the conspiracy that molders

987
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:33,650
trying to unravel throughout the series

988
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:35,690
I've learned to pretend over the past

989
00:43:39,609 --> 00:43:37,970
nine years to pretend that my victories

990
00:43:42,460 --> 00:43:39,619
mattered only to realize that no one was

991
00:43:44,319 --> 00:43:42,470
keeping score to realize that Liars do

992
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:44,329
not fear the truth if there are enough

993
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:47,119
Liars that the devil is just one man

994
00:43:52,660 --> 00:43:49,970
with a plan but evil true evil is a

995
00:43:56,349 --> 00:43:52,670
collaboration of men which is what we

996
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:56,359
have here today if I am a guilty man my

997
00:44:01,420 --> 00:43:58,880
crime is in daring to believe that the

998
00:44:08,380 --> 00:44:01,430
truth will out and that no one lie can

999
00:44:10,660 --> 00:44:08,390
live forever I believe it's still much

1000
00:44:11,819 --> 00:44:10,670
as you try to bury it the truth is out

1001
00:44:14,559 --> 00:44:11,829
there

1002
00:44:16,590 --> 00:44:14,569
greater than your lies the truth wants

1003
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:16,600
to be known

1004
00:44:25,770 --> 00:44:21,490
you will know it it'll come to you as

1005
00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:25,780
it's come to me faster than the speed of

1006
00:44:38,420 --> 00:44:32,060
you may believe yourselves rid of your

1007
00:44:39,740 --> 00:44:38,430
headache now maybe you are but you've

1008
00:44:46,099 --> 00:44:39,750
only done it by cutting off your own

1009
00:44:49,130 --> 00:44:46,109
heads that ended and it didn't happen

1010
00:44:51,650 --> 00:44:49,140
the show ended and this invasion didn't

1011
00:44:54,349 --> 00:44:51,660
occur so then the show comes back almost

1012
00:44:56,450 --> 00:44:54,359
a decade later and like we said it's

1013
00:44:59,480 --> 00:44:56,460
completely different world though so

1014
00:45:01,339 --> 00:44:59,490
they had to kind of explain that when

1015
00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:01,349
they brought the show back like what is

1016
00:45:06,290 --> 00:45:03,510
the world we live in now so what they

1017
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,300
went with is a conspiracy of men that

1018
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:08,160
aliens were never actually a part of

1019
00:45:14,300 --> 00:45:10,530
this this was all a what they call like

1020
00:45:17,180 --> 00:45:14,310
a false flag operation where we create a

1021
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:17,190
fake enemy to then do what we want with

1022
00:45:21,530 --> 00:45:19,650
our military with our government to get

1023
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:21,540
what they want to make sure that the

1024
00:45:27,710 --> 00:45:25,650
people highest up are benefiting from it

1025
00:45:32,329 --> 00:45:27,720
and we'll create an enemy whether it's a

1026
00:45:34,670 --> 00:45:32,339
rival country or a you know a faction of

1027
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:34,680
America that people don't agree with

1028
00:45:38,180 --> 00:45:36,930
some sort of enemy to make it be like

1029
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:38,190
look this is what we're gonna put our

1030
00:45:43,130 --> 00:45:41,010
money into now to fight this so in the

1031
00:45:45,890 --> 00:45:43,140
new series it's now a conspiracy of men

1032
00:45:48,530 --> 00:45:45,900
now this whole thing Mulder is trying to

1033
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:48,540
unravel the government that's created

1034
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:51,570
this fake alien thing so they're just

1035
00:45:58,010 --> 00:45:55,290
like so so so there's no aliens in this

1036
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:58,020
now like there wait apparently

1037
00:46:04,250 --> 00:46:00,720
apparently but then there is but there

1038
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:04,260
isn't see the show never show is never

1039
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:06,570
clear god goddamn it just leave it where

1040
00:46:11,810 --> 00:46:09,210
it was just leave it idea that there's

1041
00:46:14,620 --> 00:46:11,820
aliens I know it was so said like I did

1042
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:14,630
to don't make it it was so simple yeah

1043
00:46:19,370 --> 00:46:17,730
[\h__\h] I'm sorry I just hate it when

1044
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:19,380
they dredge up stuff I mean I know

1045
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:21,330
people were excited for the x-files I'm

1046
00:46:24,140 --> 00:46:22,770
sure you was a die-hard family like very

1047
00:46:25,849 --> 00:46:24,150
excited for you yeah like are you kind

1048
00:46:28,099 --> 00:46:25,859
of disappointed by that just like what

1049
00:46:31,370 --> 00:46:28,109
and almost negates all nine seasons

1050
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:31,380
oh my god yeah it was it was a huge slap

1051
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:33,119
in the face to people who followed the

1052
00:46:38,750 --> 00:46:36,960
show for so long ya know in terms of

1053
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,760
where it's heading now you do have to

1054
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:40,560
wonder if they're still gonna stick with

1055
00:46:44,930 --> 00:46:42,090
that was this

1056
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:44,940
you know molders believed for so long

1057
00:46:50,210 --> 00:46:47,490
but never gotten that truth that was out

1058
00:46:51,620 --> 00:46:50,220
there he never got it so like is he just

1059
00:46:54,290 --> 00:46:51,630
giving up at this point and say oh

1060
00:46:56,660 --> 00:46:54,300
whatever it's just humans fine maybe

1061
00:46:58,970 --> 00:46:56,670
we'll see a resurgence in that that

1062
00:47:01,910 --> 00:46:58,980
maybe it was aliens and he's gonna start

1063
00:47:08,450 --> 00:47:01,920
to believe again who knows who knows

1064
00:47:09,890 --> 00:47:08,460
where the shows go now I would just go

1065
00:47:12,770 --> 00:47:09,900
back to the pilot and all those like

1066
00:47:14,450 --> 00:47:12,780
teenage kids getting abducted yeah and

1067
00:47:16,490 --> 00:47:14,460
then you're like no it's just the

1068
00:47:20,180 --> 00:47:16,500
government just the government lamp

1069
00:47:22,550 --> 00:47:20,190
sorry that you all died yeah so then

1070
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:22,560
that so then going back to Scully's and

1071
00:47:28,550 --> 00:47:25,050
like incredibly weird impregnation story

1072
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:28,560
yeah some we're supposed to believe that

1073
00:47:33,590 --> 00:47:30,810
the government abducted Mulder and then

1074
00:47:38,350 --> 00:47:33,600
abducted Scully and then put their stuff

1075
00:47:43,010 --> 00:47:38,360
together back in Scully and so weird

1076
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:43,020
this is my biggest question also a

1077
00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:47,810
question about the baby is the big so

1078
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:50,730
how did the alien DNA again to the baby

1079
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:53,520
if it's his baby and her baby so not

1080
00:47:57,860 --> 00:47:55,920
just like a normal baby a lot of people

1081
00:47:59,960 --> 00:47:57,870
who've claimed after actual alien

1082
00:48:02,420 --> 00:47:59,970
abductions have claimed that when they

1083
00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:02,430
were taken aboard these craft that the

1084
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:05,250
women they were experimented on and they

1085
00:48:10,910 --> 00:48:08,610
had eggs taken from them men have said

1086
00:48:13,310 --> 00:48:10,920
that they've had semen semen extracted

1087
00:48:16,330 --> 00:48:13,320
from them and that it was used for this

1088
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:16,340
hybridization between humans and aliens

1089
00:48:22,490 --> 00:48:20,250
so in the show that's kind of what

1090
00:48:24,770 --> 00:48:22,500
they're going for that they were both

1091
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:24,780
abducted this baby was made between

1092
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:29,610
Mulder Scully and some alien DNA as well

1093
00:48:34,580 --> 00:48:31,890
and now you've got this superhuman

1094
00:48:36,590 --> 00:48:34,590
hybridization happening on the planet

1095
00:48:38,570 --> 00:48:36,600
without anyone knowing so they're like

1096
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:38,580
while they're coming to invade the

1097
00:48:45,470 --> 00:48:42,690
planet they're also creating this hybrid

1098
00:48:46,450 --> 00:48:45,480
alien and human to now take over the

1099
00:48:48,099 --> 00:48:46,460
planet

1100
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:48,109
that's kind of what I went with yeah

1101
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:50,930
it's a little out there but the show's

1102
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:54,050
done much crazier things I just feel

1103
00:48:58,809 --> 00:48:56,480
like I'm picturing an alien at a

1104
00:49:02,380 --> 00:48:58,819
computer on a message board being like

1105
00:49:03,970 --> 00:49:02,390
what if we did this guys let's ship them

1106
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:03,980
together if they're not gonna do it on

1107
00:49:09,849 --> 00:49:08,450
their own let's make it happen enter and

1108
00:49:11,530 --> 00:49:09,859
they're like let's abduct I mean I'm

1109
00:49:13,930 --> 00:49:11,540
really fascinated by the abduction

1110
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:13,940
stories because I feel that's

1111
00:49:16,660 --> 00:49:15,530
interesting so they actually the people

1112
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:16,670
who have claimed they've been abducted

1113
00:49:19,780 --> 00:49:17,930
and you've spoken to them they say that

1114
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:19,790
they were present for and like aware

1115
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:22,160
during this experimentation when they're

1116
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:23,930
returned is it like no time has passed

1117
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:27,290
like what our who's the time yeah that's

1118
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:29,210
a big aspect of it it's missing time

1119
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:32,210
which has been written about a lie even

1120
00:49:37,150 --> 00:49:34,400
people who just see UFOs claimed to have

1121
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:37,160
a missing time where they just maybe 10

1122
00:49:42,970 --> 00:49:40,880
20 an hour has just passed and they they

1123
00:49:45,130 --> 00:49:42,980
don't know where it went they saw it and

1124
00:49:46,690 --> 00:49:45,140
then they get home and they're like wait

1125
00:49:49,870 --> 00:49:46,700
how does it no way that could have

1126
00:49:53,230 --> 00:49:49,880
happened no in terms of abductions yeah

1127
00:49:57,370 --> 00:49:53,240
people there was a case in the 70s where

1128
00:50:00,430 --> 00:49:57,380
a guy was abducted in front of six other

1129
00:50:02,770 --> 00:50:00,440
witnesses they saw this happen they saw

1130
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:02,780
a craft come down shoot a beam at this

1131
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:05,690
dude he gets like you know he's on the

1132
00:50:10,990 --> 00:50:07,520
ground they think he's dead they bolt

1133
00:50:12,730 --> 00:50:11,000
and he's missing so everyone in this

1134
00:50:14,530 --> 00:50:12,740
town assumed that these guys murdered

1135
00:50:16,809 --> 00:50:14,540
this guy and they're covering it up with

1136
00:50:19,059 --> 00:50:16,819
this stupid alien story they take a lie

1137
00:50:21,579 --> 00:50:19,069
lie detector tests claiming to have that

1138
00:50:24,339 --> 00:50:21,589
what they saw is what happened they all

1139
00:50:26,410 --> 00:50:24,349
passed with flying colors and then the

1140
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:26,420
dude shows up he shows up like on the

1141
00:50:32,650 --> 00:50:30,319
side of a road and he has the same exact

1142
00:50:34,690 --> 00:50:32,660
story as them but doesn't remember what

1143
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:34,700
happened after he got hit with that beam

1144
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:37,130
of light he's then put under hypnotic

1145
00:50:42,569 --> 00:50:39,410
regression and this whole alien

1146
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:42,579
abduction they start settler word yeah

1147
00:50:47,530 --> 00:50:45,920
yeah dang so we have about 10 minutes

1148
00:50:50,890 --> 00:50:47,540
left and I know that you wanted to do

1149
00:50:58,359 --> 00:50:56,240
your time this has never happened on the

1150
00:51:01,849 --> 00:50:58,369
guilty pleasure podcast we're so excited

1151
00:51:04,010 --> 00:51:01,859
so I as well have a podcast called

1152
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:04,020
somewhere in the skies all about UFOs

1153
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:06,089
aliens where I bring on researchers who

1154
00:51:10,430 --> 00:51:08,250
look into this stuff scientists

1155
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:10,440
academics everyone you can think of

1156
00:51:14,059 --> 00:51:12,480
everyone in every walk of life just to

1157
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:14,069
talk about it what they think about it

1158
00:51:18,620 --> 00:51:16,410
what they believe so I kind of wanted to

1159
00:51:21,140 --> 00:51:18,630
turn the tables on you guys do a little

1160
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:21,150
interview session would have yeah yeah

1161
00:51:26,329 --> 00:51:24,480
so what do you guys are you guys into

1162
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:26,339
this at all when you knew that I was

1163
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:28,800
coming in to talk about not just x-files

1164
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:30,480
but the fact that I legitimately

1165
00:51:36,500 --> 00:51:34,170
seriously study UFOs I would be a little

1166
00:51:40,099 --> 00:51:36,510
hesitant at first I mean we've known

1167
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:40,109
each other for a while that I'm not

1168
00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:43,770
actually crazy yeah but what are your

1169
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:46,559
thoughts on the whole UFO topic you know

1170
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:48,480
what like honest like I'm thinking of

1171
00:51:53,690 --> 00:51:51,210
this and I was like very cognizant of

1172
00:51:56,059 --> 00:51:53,700
any pre biases that I had in my mind as

1173
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:56,069
you were talking and I was just like

1174
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:57,599
like guys you're talking about like

1175
00:52:01,420 --> 00:51:59,280
these eyewitness accounts I'm probably

1176
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:01,430
like my immediate reaction is to go like

1177
00:52:06,349 --> 00:52:04,290
yeah right but at the same time I've

1178
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:06,359
never really given it any thought other

1179
00:52:10,490 --> 00:52:08,400
than like it's never really crossed my

1180
00:52:12,890 --> 00:52:10,500
mind like I said I love supernatural

1181
00:52:14,829 --> 00:52:12,900
stuff I've always been more inclined to

1182
00:52:16,930 --> 00:52:14,839
listen to people's like creepy

1183
00:52:18,859 --> 00:52:16,940
experiences like ghost stories

1184
00:52:20,690 --> 00:52:18,869
paranormal stuff I can kind of get a

1185
00:52:23,900 --> 00:52:20,700
little bit more onboard with but to that

1186
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:23,910
effect I really have no like discernible

1187
00:52:31,490 --> 00:52:30,000
opinion and I don't think you're crazy I

1188
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:31,500
was like I don't think you're crazy it's

1189
00:52:34,940 --> 00:52:32,880
just it's fascinating because I've never

1190
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:34,950
I've never spoken with someone who's

1191
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:38,010
been so open about it so I mean I have

1192
00:52:42,789 --> 00:52:39,839
no opinion I think that's my final

1193
00:52:48,500 --> 00:52:46,069
yeah I guess I I'm I'm on the same page

1194
00:52:51,130 --> 00:52:48,510
as you are Jackie with I've always been

1195
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:51,140
intrigued by people's experiences

1196
00:53:00,620 --> 00:52:56,250
specifically with like alien UFO or like

1197
00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:00,630
spiritual ghost situations and I I think

1198
00:53:06,410 --> 00:53:03,510
there is I think the way that

1199
00:53:08,540 --> 00:53:06,420
you talk about it is like a really

1200
00:53:10,220 --> 00:53:08,550
healthy way of talking about it like

1201
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:10,230
just looking at like the facts that

1202
00:53:16,100 --> 00:53:12,240
you're given and I don't want to say

1203
00:53:19,550 --> 00:53:16,110
healthy I found like a dick right now

1204
00:53:23,210 --> 00:53:19,560
but like I just your opinion and I trust

1205
00:53:25,100 --> 00:53:23,220
you as a human so I I think that yeah I

1206
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:25,110
think that I mean it just it just makes

1207
00:53:29,900 --> 00:53:27,570
it like having I mean the universe is so

1208
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:29,910
big it's just so big yeah like I don't

1209
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:32,130
think there's not people out there yeah

1210
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:34,170
if they're people or if they're not if

1211
00:53:39,830 --> 00:53:37,530
it's like you know critters and ice or

1212
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:39,840
like whatever I definitely think that

1213
00:53:45,620 --> 00:53:42,210
there are other there's other life

1214
00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:45,630
outside of this this universe of course

1215
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:47,730
mathematically mathematically I mean

1216
00:53:52,850 --> 00:53:49,680
like carls hey-- good like let's just

1217
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:52,860
you know what I mean but I and also

1218
00:53:58,550 --> 00:53:54,570
there's a part of me who's like yeah

1219
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:58,560
yeah yeah yeah like why not I'm under

1220
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:01,440
the I'm under the under the assumption

1221
00:54:06,170 --> 00:54:03,570
when it comes to this stuff that proved

1222
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:06,180
to me it's not real I'm totally open to

1223
00:54:10,070 --> 00:54:08,370
it yeah like I've been studying it for

1224
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:10,080
half my life and I could tell you right

1225
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:12,690
now I'm still extremely skeptical

1226
00:54:15,410 --> 00:54:14,730
mmm-hmm that any of this has to do with

1227
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:15,420
aliens

1228
00:54:19,610 --> 00:54:17,760
yeah but proved to me that it's not the

1229
00:54:22,340 --> 00:54:19,620
aliens and I'm totally fine with that

1230
00:54:24,530 --> 00:54:22,350
same with ghosts same with Loch Ness

1231
00:54:27,410 --> 00:54:24,540
monster I definitely think there's some

1232
00:54:29,210 --> 00:54:27,420
like funky like paranormal [\h__\h] that

1233
00:54:31,700 --> 00:54:29,220
goes down in our day to day and I think

1234
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:31,710
that like as humans who are so self

1235
00:54:36,170 --> 00:54:33,930
consumed with our own things we probably

1236
00:54:37,580 --> 00:54:36,180
don't notice it as much I think some

1237
00:54:39,710 --> 00:54:37,590
people maybe are more attune to that

1238
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:39,720
kind of paranormal than other people are

1239
00:54:44,420 --> 00:54:41,520
yeah but I mean when you think about it

1240
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:44,430
like it's so interesting when people

1241
00:54:48,740 --> 00:54:47,010
have like these biases about certain

1242
00:54:50,930 --> 00:54:48,750
beliefs that aren't necessarily rooted

1243
00:54:53,300 --> 00:54:50,940
in fact but like I was raised Catholic

1244
00:54:54,980 --> 00:54:53,310
and I'm like I was taught for like quite

1245
00:54:58,520 --> 00:54:54,990
a few years that someone rose from the

1246
00:55:01,310 --> 00:54:58,530
dead so yeah and like saved your soul

1247
00:55:04,300 --> 00:55:01,320
and saved my died for my sins although I

1248
00:55:06,650 --> 00:55:04,310
wasn't even thought I was a bleep

1249
00:55:09,260 --> 00:55:06,660
thousands of years thousands of years in

1250
00:55:11,300 --> 00:55:09,270
the future and then came back was like

1251
00:55:13,310 --> 00:55:11,310
you know I know you guys killed me but I

1252
00:55:14,140 --> 00:55:13,320
think let's give us a second charge yeah

1253
00:55:15,849 --> 00:55:14,150
and let's give it

1254
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:15,859
let's give this a second coat it's like

1255
00:55:20,380 --> 00:55:17,450
breaking up with like it's like just

1256
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:20,390
broke up with an abusive spouse and then

1257
00:55:26,740 --> 00:55:22,130
three days later was like one more

1258
00:55:28,569 --> 00:55:26,750
chance 40 40 more days you got 40 days

1259
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:28,579
and then his dad came and was like we're

1260
00:55:35,470 --> 00:55:30,079
packing up your [\h__\h] and I'm taking you

1261
00:55:37,690 --> 00:55:35,480
back home well I guess my second

1262
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:37,700
question for you guys would be then the

1263
00:55:41,890 --> 00:55:39,650
x-files deals a lot with conspiracy

1264
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:41,900
are there any conspiracies that you guys

1265
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:45,650
really buy into you're like Oh totally

1266
00:55:59,740 --> 00:55:57,170
you know conspiracy theories you know

1267
00:56:01,990 --> 00:55:59,750
what I'll say this very confidently I've

1268
00:56:04,420 --> 00:56:02,000
gotten a lot more involved in government

1269
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:04,430
in the last year for obvious reasons I

1270
00:56:11,019 --> 00:56:08,240
if I think that the people who are in

1271
00:56:14,289 --> 00:56:11,029
charge of my life and my country are

1272
00:56:15,730 --> 00:56:14,299
secretly doing some shady ash and they

1273
00:56:17,950 --> 00:56:15,740
are doing shady [\h__\h] I know there's

1274
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:17,960
people there doing shady [\h__\h] but if I

1275
00:56:21,579 --> 00:56:19,520
think that there's like these grand

1276
00:56:28,420 --> 00:56:21,589
conspiracy theories like I don't think I

1277
00:56:30,039 --> 00:56:28,430
could I can't deal with it like I think

1278
00:56:32,289 --> 00:56:30,049
people that are really involved in

1279
00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:32,299
conspiracy theories and if someone out

1280
00:56:36,130 --> 00:56:34,160
there listening is you know let us know

1281
00:56:38,410 --> 00:56:36,140
about it like I'd love to hear it below

1282
00:56:44,049 --> 00:56:38,420
yeah that's you that's fine I personally

1283
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:44,059
cannot take that on yes there's a bunch

1284
00:56:50,740 --> 00:56:46,640
of there's like all sorts of theories I

1285
00:56:53,380 --> 00:56:50,750
feel like there's I'm I like JFK like

1286
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:53,390
that to me I'm like there is some crazy

1287
00:56:57,279 --> 00:56:55,520
there that's not it yeah like that

1288
00:56:59,920 --> 00:56:57,289
wasn't it like that's something there's

1289
00:57:01,839 --> 00:56:59,930
something else and it for whatever

1290
00:57:03,700 --> 00:57:01,849
reason I actually I think it was my

1291
00:57:05,289 --> 00:57:03,710
mother who's like she said this one

1292
00:57:08,109 --> 00:57:05,299
looks like oh girl get it

1293
00:57:10,180 --> 00:57:08,119
she is like I don't think Marilyn Monroe

1294
00:57:11,650 --> 00:57:10,190
had a drug overdose or anything like

1295
00:57:14,650 --> 00:57:11,660
that she's like I think she knew too

1296
00:57:16,900 --> 00:57:14,660
much and they killed her like that's

1297
00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:16,910
interesting she's like there's she was

1298
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:19,609
like I think that yeah she knew too much

1299
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:24,410
and then well she actually she was one

1300
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:26,720
of the proponents to get

1301
00:57:34,060 --> 00:57:30,530
the truth about UFOs to the public and

1302
00:57:36,610 --> 00:57:34,070
was trying to get JFK to do this when he

1303
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:36,620
was in office to bring the truth Ford

1304
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:38,960
about whatever we knew at that time the

1305
00:57:43,540 --> 00:57:41,090
government was officially investigating

1306
00:57:46,810 --> 00:57:43,550
UFOs it's called Project Blue Book and

1307
00:57:50,290 --> 00:57:46,820
then when it came for that she was gonna

1308
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:50,300
you know dude that use her plot use her

1309
00:57:56,380 --> 00:57:52,880
platform to like bring forth UFO

1310
00:58:01,930 --> 00:57:56,390
disclosure yeah she died before JFK

1311
00:58:05,710 --> 00:58:01,940
right yeah gosh American history I don't

1312
00:58:08,020 --> 00:58:05,720
know yeah maybe yeah that's just what my

1313
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:08,030
mom said once and I was or she's still

1314
00:58:13,630 --> 00:58:10,970
alive or she's still alive just like it

1315
00:58:16,450 --> 00:58:13,640
with Tupac is this yeah I Walt Disney's

1316
00:58:19,210 --> 00:58:16,460
frozen somewhere yeah for sure yet I

1317
00:58:22,030 --> 00:58:19,220
think there are conspiracy theories you

1318
00:58:23,260 --> 00:58:22,040
know I I don't I don't really follow it

1319
00:58:25,180 --> 00:58:23,270
yeah you know what I mean

1320
00:58:27,940 --> 00:58:25,190
well it's a slippery slope like you said

1321
00:58:30,910 --> 00:58:27,950
like it's a lot to take on it can run

1322
00:58:33,730 --> 00:58:30,920
your life and make you miserable like

1323
00:58:36,010 --> 00:58:33,740
you wouldn't trust anyone yeah yeah I

1324
00:58:38,020 --> 00:58:36,020
would get too paranoid eeeh I do have

1325
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:38,030
faith in my government that at the core

1326
00:58:43,780 --> 00:58:40,490
they want the best for the public but

1327
00:58:46,900 --> 00:58:43,790
they will do some stuff to make sure

1328
00:58:49,150 --> 00:58:46,910
again that the status quo remains status

1329
00:58:50,620 --> 00:58:49,160
quo that the people making the money are

1330
00:58:54,370 --> 00:58:50,630
making the money and that things

1331
00:58:57,550 --> 00:58:54,380
continue to go in to their benefit

1332
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exactly so like I could never if someone

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was trying to argue with me that like

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vaccines were caused by the government

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to call it like I am like no like I

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can't like no I cannot easily I can't

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even with that

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I can't even doubt that like I can't but

1339
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yeah it's it's crazy like there's only

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as a person like you can really truly

1341
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only control like how you react to

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00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:18,920
things and you can only really construct

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00:59:22,780 --> 00:59:21,290
your own life so to think about things

1344
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:22,790
that are completely out of your control

1345
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:25,970
are very is maybe not the best use of

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your time yeah and I think that's the

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biggest fear with a lot of people who

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don't believe in aliens or UFOs it's

1349
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completely out of their control it's

1350
00:59:37,580 --> 00:59:36,710
also discredit so many things that like

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you

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come to find comfort and like religion

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or yeah us being by ourselves and also

1354
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like all of a sudden we're not the

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smartest yeah and we're not the top of

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the food chain anymore everything would

1357
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change

1358
00:59:54,770 --> 00:59:52,200
yeah we're told there is an alien

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00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:54,780
presence coming to our planet or has

1360
00:59:59,210 --> 00:59:56,730
been here yeah then the government's

1361
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been lying to us for 50 60 years

1362
01:00:03,230 --> 01:00:01,530
yeah then what do you do you know like

1363
01:00:05,780 --> 01:00:03,240
you said religion would change the

1364
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:05,790
economy would change the military would

1365
01:00:11,300 --> 01:00:08,250
change everything would be impacted yeah

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I think this big profound question that

1367
01:00:15,860 --> 01:00:13,260
so many people are interested in but are

1368
01:00:18,350 --> 01:00:15,870
too afraid to ask yeah so I'm gonna keep

1369
01:00:22,940 --> 01:00:18,360
asking and keep getting scared shitless

1370
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:22,950
I come closer to an answer I think thank

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01:00:27,230 --> 01:00:24,930
you thank you that was great I really

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enjoyed this chat any other questions or

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01:00:31,610 --> 01:00:30,150
no so you have a podcast called

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somewhere in the skies you also have a

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book that now Amanda and I are the proud

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owners of is there anything else that

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